“A deep state (translation of Turkish “derin devlet”) is a type of governance made up of potentially secret and unauthorized networks of power operating independently of a state’s political leadership in pursuit of their own agenda and goals.” –Wikipedia, Deep state
“Sedition is a serious felony punishable by fines and up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying or overthrowing it.” Source: Findlaw, January 8, 2021 (boldface mine).
Sedition does not mean doing (insurrection or treason); it does not mean planning (which is always treason, aka an act of war, since one does not plan insurrections which might not succeed in overthrow, whether the planned overthrow will be violent or not); it means inciting insurrection (“revolt,” which is intentionally ambiguous to possibly mean “peaceful overthrow” or a “nonviolent correction”) or treason (“violence;” “betrayal;” “hot war;” or, even, “cold war”). Sedition is what Trump did on January 6. His careful and parsed words, even if they did not constitute technical calls for violence, were general enough, and certainly suggestive enough, for reasonable people to interpret them as a call for revolt using any means possible and necessary, to include violence. But, him simply inciting revolt, violent or not, against Biden’s Electoral College certification ceremony with the goal of overthrowing it, was enough to constitute sedition.
Sedition is not as illegal as we might think it is, under the (usually reasonable) argument that anyone can try to use their speech to incite revolt or violence, but that it’s rarely successful, and that they shouldn’t be responsible if others actually do follow their instructions (essentially, what Charles Manson argued. What got Manson convicted was that the jury realized he was a cult leader, who had turned his followers into a reliable and trustworthy weapon). With Donald Trump, however, that argument flies less than it does for Manson, because he was Commander-in-Chief at the time. Outgoing President A doesn’t get to call on a not-too-small, and not-too-unarmed, loyal army standing right in front of him– hailing from all over the U.S., the several thousand rioters were presumably some of his most hard-core followers of all– to stop incoming President B‘s certification happening right across the street, and have it be free speech. That’s not just a declaration of war, it’s a command to attack, plain and simple. In other words, he knew there was no possibility the crowd wasn’t going to do it, if he told them to, and then pretended to lead the way. Zero. In fact, he knew, by their logic, they could be prosecuted by him later for them not doing so, at that point.
“The Sedition Act of 1918, enacted during World War I, made it a crime to “willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of the Government of the United States” or to “willfully urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of the production” of the things “necessary or essential to the prosecution of the war.” The act, along with other similar federal laws, was used to convict at least 877 people in 1919 and 1920, according to a report by the attorney general. In 1919, the Court heard several important free speech cases — including Debs v. United States and Abrams v. United States — involving the constitutionality of the law. In both cases, the Court upheld the convictions as well as the law.” Source: thirteen dot org.
“The Sedition Act of 1918 was repealed in 1920, although many parts of the original Espionage Act remained in force.” Source: Middle Tennessee State University
“Although unused since at least 1961, the “Smith Act” remains a Federal law. There was, however, a brief attempt to use the sedition laws, as defined by the Sedition Act of 1918 amendments to the Espionage Act of 1917, against protesters of the Vietnam War.” –Wikipedia, Sedition
Note also that, even though Trump and Giuliani may not have said, specifically, “be violent,” they also never said to not be. This, in my opinion, is the strongest single piece of circumstantial evidence America has, on top of all of the other rare and unique conditions I just listed above, that they wanted the insurrection to become violent. It is impossible to speak the way they did, and still want it done peacefully, without following the remarks with frequent and repeat calls to remain peaceful. They wanted war, and they were hoping it would be successful (decapitation of government). They knew no one was going to be persuaded to not certify the vote, simply by the mob going in there and chanting, and squatting. They wanted deaths. They wanted the United States to begin to descend into chaos, all over the country. Then, they wanted to declare martial law.
I think the mistake we’re making is not appreciating the true breadth, and diversity, of the motives each rioter who stormed the Capitol had to choose from. Unlike, for example, the Boston Massacre, it was not an organic act. It was planned, and organized, at least in part and I assert certainly at the top, by hidden people who had hidden agendas, to almost certainly include government officials, and powerful influencers of government officials, themselves (the real U.S. deep state). As well as, some of the January 6 on-the-ground insurrectionists themselves, who knew they were going in there to make arrests with twist-ties and cause violence even as their President was playing footsie with the language towards the other 98% of them, or whatever. To me, those are the real insurrectionists, regardless of how thoroughly they believed in the righteousness (moral alignment) of their cause. I don’t, and never did, want them running the show. Really. I’d have FAR preferred Trump simply serve out his remaining days in office. Give me the real Secret Service protecting my head of state than the Oath Keepers, any day.
It is the same reason why, when it became apparent to me that Trump was going to stonewall Biden’s transition as hard as possible, I first suggested– really, out of concern for life– that Biden declare himself the President the moment the Electoral College confirmed he won, and then backtracked upon my realizing that’s not how it works– Trump, to have not been ousted in a coup, would need to serve out his FULL term of office, which would mean him not leaving until noon on January 20.
And, so, we were obliged to put up with it, and let more Americans die than necessary, to uphold the rule of law, or at least whatever semblance worth preserving was still left of it by that point in his tenure. Although an argument might have been made, in my opinion, that the military arresting him in the Oval Office, citing his ongoing threat to, and callous disregard for, American life as the reason, might have been justifiable. But, we don’t live in a sane politics. We live in Wonderland, which I define as any politics (society) where formal reality is not mostly objectively perceived, such as where Trump’s crowd size was the largest in history, and where letting Americans needlessly die might be better than setting a hard precedent that Presidents shouldn’t be reasonably free to let it happen in order to advance their own political agenda (“off with their heads”). I mean, to me, by the end of it, Trump was just murdering people. For revenge against his own followers who’d failed to reelect him, I believe, and to rub it in the rest of our faces that he could.
In other words, the rule of law was exactly what the rioters– to include those who support them today, regardless of individual motive– wanted to overthrow because, identically to their accusations against us for mostly just complaining (and– gasp– organizing!) for four years, they didn’t like the outcome— of an election they partook in! But, unlike us, were willing to kill police and the Vice President, to reverse it. This is an advantage of liberals having a press they believe in: when liberals are oppressed, they take a seat on the ground, and wait for the press to arrive. Trumpists think they have nowhere to go. They don’t trust the ‘fourth branch’ of government, the free press, to bring attention to their outrage in a constructive way, or to contextualize it properly. So, they grab pitchforks. Even if they are largely ignored by the press because they’re so caught up in the fake news they think is real, and usually can’t even begin to give a good answer about why they’re angry with government, because they don’t understand it that well. Many Trumpists ignored government and news, even elections, until Trump came along with his magic flute. Others are this brave new political age’s young to middle-aged adults, many of whom are failed products, twenty years or so later since graduating high school, of poor or nonexistent Civics and government classes, and contextualized history. But, they sure do believe climate change isn’t real, or caused by their air conditioners and PlayStations.
If every single one of these rioters had simply sat on the Mall like so many people did in Vietnam, or at Zucotti Park, and simply refused to leave, and kept getting peacefully arrested, we’d actually be having the national conversation they’d wanted, still, right now. Instead, they’re facing serious charges usually only seen in wartime, and half of us are shouting “Patriot!” and the other half, “Traitor!” Who wins, even if he’s not involved? Putin, among others.
What I am not trying to do is excuse people from wrong acts, but to figure out who in that crowd is really dangerous, and who isn’t, particularly lest the accusation of an unreasonably heavy hand be reasonably placed on us.
For example, the man shouting “Hang Mike Pence,” I would hope, is being investigated for possibly having made a credible threat against a sitting official. It’s also probably sedition, because he’s inciting anyone to try to kill Mike Pence, if they find him. Now, I don’t like Mike Pence. Pretty much, at all. But, I find it the height of irony that I, a liberal, would be defending him against one of his former supporters.
That’s just weird. But, it’s because I respect the rule of law (I also don’t think killing anyone is almost ever a good thing). We need law, so that society does not collapse when one side doesn’t get its way, which will be… drum roll… every time. I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll (usually) defend your right to say it, because, in part, doing so is the only way I can reasonably expect my own speech to remain free.
Most people in that crowd were obeying what their President told them to do, in a universe where they’d truly bought the line that their freedom; futures; and democracy were threatened. Those were the words Trump and Giuliani used. Never mind, of course, that they should have probably been celebrating that they had gotten a real conservative in the Oval Office, finally. It is probably safe to say that we will be seeing the current Administration, to the smug satisfaction of the GOP, who will not lift a finger at all, pushing quite a bit against its own progressive flank; though, I hope we can at least be confident it will be competent, and not screw up in the most dire and moral challenges facing America right now.
Most of the people there that day responded to the rallying cry to meet at the Capitol so as to make a show of force, and “stop the steal,” presumably through mass persuasion. Most, I would gather, simply wanted to be there to witness history, but also to be a part of it– to “stop the steal,” and as peacefully as possible. Otherwise, they’d have all been carrying firearms, and not wearing buffalo hats. But, it was just their patriotic heartstrings being pulled. Seriously. Note the (intentionally, in my opinion) ambiguous titles, “Stop the Steal” and “Save America.” The vast majority of them didn’t agree to meet at the Capitol to assassinate Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence. But, I assert, that’s why they were really called on to be there. We now know that most of them had no idea that something larger was forming beneath the surface; and, barring any stranger (possibly looking a little more like antifa than normal– would be called a false flag) coming up to them and saying which window they should help them break, and when, considered themselves ‘just along for the ride.’ So, if we call them insurrectionists, I think it’s more important to focus on the ringleaders; the assassins; and whoever got so caught up in all of it that they started picking up fire extinguishers and boards with nails in them, and started swinging.
What I don’t think is going to help much, is calling all of them “traitors.” I don’t think that’s nearly accurate, because most of their acts don’t fit the definition of war. Some were a lot more dangerous than others. Many, in fact, were pretty clueless, even unarmed.
Effectively, what they really were was a battering ram. A human battering ram designed intentionally by some deep state genius or geniuses to, effectively, catapult a handful of pre-briefed assassins in past security, and then decapitate the government. That’s what I think it was about, and I think Donald Trump wanted Pence killed, because he knew that, due to Pence’s disloyalty in certifying Biden’s win, he couldn’t keep him into a second term, but also couldn’t legally fire him, either (as Trump had done to so many others who’d been disloyal). And, I think, we should be focusing strongly on the Republican lawmakers who gave the tours of the Capitol to some of the insurrectionists in the days leading up to it. Those insurrectionists, I’d wager, are a treasure trove of information.
Metaphorically, a “Trojan horse” has come to mean any trick or stratagem that causes a target to invite a foe into a securely protected bastion or place.
Factual explanations
There has been speculation that the Trojan Horse may have been a battering ram or other sort of siege engine resembling, to some extent, a horse, and that the description of the use of this device was then transformed into a myth by later oral historians who were not present at the battle and were unaware of that meaning of the name. Assyrians then used siege machines with animal names that were often covered with dampened horse hides to protect against flaming arrows; it is possible that the Trojan Horse was such.[14] Pausanias, who lived in the 2nd century AD, wrote in his book, Description of Greece, “That the work of Epeius was a contrivance to make a breach in the Trojan wall is known to everybody who does not attribute utter silliness to the Phrygians”;[15] by the Phrygians, he meant the Trojans.” –Wikipedia, Trojan Horse
Psychologically, the rioters got assistance, to some extent, from some of the police guarding the Capitol. Very, very few gunshots were fired comparative to, as many others have since observed, what we might have expected had the rioters consisted mostly of Blacks and Latinos. About as many police died as did rioters. It did not have to ‘go down’ like that, by any means. And, there is little to no reason to believe that anywhere near a majority, much less most of the, rioters had any intent of actually killing anyone, much less actual heads of state.
From Quora:
Question: Can the President of the United States fire the Vice President?
Answer: No!
The VP is elected, just as the POTUS is, by the very same Electoral College that elected the president, at the same time (voters vote for Electoral College “electors”, not the candidates directly). The only way to remove a VP from office is by the same process as removing a POTUS:
(1) Impeachment articles passed by a majority vote in the House of Representatives, followed by
(2) Trial in the Senate presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, followed by
(3) Conviction by a 2/3 super-majority vote of the US Senate.Answer provided by John Lind, Political Scientist, Arizona State University
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Someone who rushed the steps and trespassed, creating a security problem for police whereby the proposed assassins, etc. could enter the building were insurrectionists, but they’re not terrorists, or even traitors. And, I think, most of them could be brought to understand that they were tricked into engaging in insurrection, where they most likely expected it to be peacefully resolved by them squatting on the floor of Congress; impeding procedure; and creating a media spectacle, and had no idea it would, much less was intended to, escalate to deadly violence, or the decapitation of, effectively, both parties’ heads of state (Pelosi and Pence).
Guys carrying twist-ties don’t count. That’s an important observation, because those insurrectionists were prepared for violence– at a minimum, carried out by them (twist-tying Democrats up).
The twist-ties are real, physical evidence of intent. Twist-ties can only be used offensively, or to tie up a combatant after you’ve won some conflict you’re expecting to win. They are, in fact, cumbersome to wear, and get caught on things; there is no reason those insurrectionists were carrying twist-ties except that they seriously expected to need them, or at a minimum would use them at the drop of a hat, were an opportunity to present itself. By contrast, we can reasonably conclude that Jacob Chansley was not particularly confident there would be serious violence, because he wasn’t dressed for it. He was not carrying twist-ties. Also, to my knowledge, he doesn’t really preach violence. He might flirt with it a bit, but more philosophically, and not in a particularly inciting way. Unlike Hank Kunneman, who I consider a stochastic Christian terrorist, among way too many others making millions, or maybe even just a few hundred thousand, dollars a year preaching old-school hate, and fairy tale utopias laced with Christ that will never come true, and never should. Except, of course, with the exception of the kind the real U.S. deep state wants. That version of Christian government might be coming, but it will be no utopia.
What worries me about stochastic Christian terrorists (the preachers in love with married women pussy-grabbers) is that they’re not only the most nutcase of the nutcases, but that they’re also so politically and financially powerful. They’re doing something right, and that’s not good. Namely, what they are doing is taking the desperate people they’ve created, and selling them more of the Kool-Aid (hate) that made them oppressed and poor in the first place. It’s an effective racket; legal, at least for now; and, makes some of them millions. Kunneman’s ‘preaching’ is not just in-your-face sedition, but potentially far more deadly, I worry, than David Koreshs’, considering his 21st-century platform and reach. He sounds similar to Koresh, but Robin Bullock has Koresh’s style of “shock preaching” down cold (see video of Bullock, below). There are quite a few of these jokers going around, like Paula White White, and Kenneth “Long Tube” Copeland. They’re seriously dangerous people who already have a lot of blood on their hands, not to mention Christians’. But because, unlike Charles Manson, they ride that thin line where they don’t tell their followers exactly where to go and when, and what to attack them with; so, they get society’s pass.
Her comment at timestamp 0:39 violates 1 Corinthians 2:11.
It’s also insane, and thus hopefully just a lie.
Hi, I’m looking for the Ten Commandments, I heard I could find them on Paula White’s yard, propping up her garden gnome.
Really, she should ditch Christianity probably, and just take up kickboxing.
Do not give this nut access to a firearm, lest she hear God telling her to kill some Democrat with it.
Wait… I’m downloading a message from God right now… it says there are exactly two things this person should not own: Five million dollars, and a firearm.
“Let every demonic network that has aligned itself against the purpose, against the calling of Donald Trump… let it be broken, let it be torn down in the name of Jesus” qualifies as sedition, as well as stochastic Christian terrorism.
Sedition for Christian Dummies. Terrorism for Christian Dummies.
The coy, thinly-veiled messaging White is delivering to her flock is not too difficult to translate. Hold on, I have to really prepare, to make sure I get it right.
I think what Paula White White is saying is that Democrats, in fact anyone who opposes Donald Jay Trump, is aligned with demonic forces. Now, I don’t recall learning too much about official demons while I was studying for Communion, in fact I’ve blocked the entire memory for the most part, but I’ve been hearing about demons since I was a little kid, and I’m pretty sure they’re the worst. Minus, Satan himself. Tossed out of Heaven and all, fallen former angels and stuff.
Warning, trigger alert, in this video clip you will hear the wailing of the souls of sex-trafficked babies, cooing from Limbo
Being demonic, therefore, it’s probably better no one listen to what they have to say, because they’re evil, and against God. They’re also supernatural. White didn’t call me just evil, she called me “demonic.” I’m aligned with demonic forces, because I support Joe Biden remaining president. Killing me, therefore, and other liberals and Democrats like me, might not be as bad as you might think, and it might even be necessary to restore Donald Trump to power.
Hank Kunneman is doing the same bullshit, in fact a lot of them are. If they start a hot war, I’ll recommend they be hunted down first. We’ll see how much God protects them from “aligned demonic forces,” then.
Terrorists are bad. Terrorists who claim to be prophets and own five million dollars, are worse.
The pockets they pick every day, with their violent and seditious stage act. The main problem is, aside from undermining national security and American elections simply by going around selling snake oil, they could make someone with an AR-15 they made sure could get one go nuts, kind of like what happened yesterday in Lauren Boebert’s Colorado, and they are perfectly fine with that if it happens. Or, not. They firmly believe they’re not going to jail even if something does happen, and even if they’re directly quoted by the terrorist as having been the inspiration for the attack; they know they have enough followers chewing their cuds all over America who will run to their religious free speech defense. The free speech that mixes God, politics, racism, fear, Scripture, an utterly false and noxious moral superiority, and veiled references to assassination, insurrection, treason and sedition using code. The kind of free speech that lights a fuse in a crowded theater we’re all in and can see, and then says, “Well, you can’t prove it was my fire that set it off.”
I’m not going to care.
They also firmly believe they’re going to be able to keep all of the money.
Just so you know, that wouldn’t happen in the America I envision. In the America I envision, these people would be among the first the Secret Service, the Justice Department, and the IRS would be investigating. But, not today. Today, they are deep state darlings.
I find it interesting we’re willing to subject ourselves, as a society, to that kind of threat, just so some millionaire junkie says he or she should be free to go around preaching his or her insane version of Christ. Maybe I shouldn’t be surprised, though. We’re the country that did nothing after Newtown, Virginia Tech, and Las Vegas. No, I don’t consider banning bump stocks doing anything.
stochastic
sto·chas·tic
/stəˈkastik/
adjective
randomly determined; having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analyzed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.
A stochastic terrorist is a terrorist who preaches terror; hot war, or hot civil war; doomsday over which he or she claims to have control; or who otherwise suggests terrorist acts, either knowingly with malice to harness, or recklessly in disregard or ignorance of, that preaching’s stochastic effect, which is to increase the chances some party other than him or her will ‘heed the call.’ This party will be a frustrated, or simply inspired, unstable person or group of people who will eventually be the first to set the predictions in motion, where the stochastic terrorist actually knowing who that person or group of people will be, or when they will act, might be unknowable. But, to the stochastic terrorist, it is also irrelevant. What matters is that someone eventually does it, and someone other than him. The unique disconnect between the stochastic terrorist and the actual terrorist might also make the relationship between the preaching, or messaging, itself and the terrorist difficult to firmly establish, allowing the stochastic terrorist some plausible deniability, which he (for now) is most likely usually legally able to consider advantageous.
What makes these preachers so different from classical doomsday preachers, and probably far more dangerous to national security and just plain overall societal health, however, is social media, and the digital age, and the Big Data Age. Radio, where Christian doomsday preachers have been lurking for ages, is old-school tech; you can’t “share” it, and capturing it is difficult. Koresh and Jim Jones and Manson would have been far more deadly in their ‘preaching’ with access to a sophisticated high-speed Internet, and chat rooms where they could seed their ideas for anyone to find and make go viral. Then, because their ‘ideas’ were really just recycled, creative bullshit based around the old themes of racism and patriarchy, they’d have naturally fit right in, and been augmented and swept up by, the digital infrastructure that was built for all of the other similar-themed, hateful bullshit that’s already there. It’s why we see swastikas, the Confederate battle flag, and the Christian cross, all mashed in together with the American flag, old versions of it, Don’t Tread on Me flags, pro-life flags, obscure ‘militia’ flags. They’re all just drawing on different flavors and emphases of the same racist and patriarchal hate, and in some cases religious superiority, basically. It’s also why we have QAnon, another choose-your-own-reality game.
Was Jim Jones a stochastic terrorist? Yes, because he preached political revolution and, later on, violent uprising, even as neither he, nor anyone outside of his following ever that I am aware of, nor any of his followers, actually did it… until they did, and all at once. When he realized he was busted for rape, pedophilia and physical and psychological abuse, plus financial crimes such as fraudulently getting people to sign over their wills and property, etc. (which Koresh did as well), plus who knows what else, and going to jail for life, he told all 900 of his followers to kill the small Congressional entourage who’d flown to their South America commune to investigate him as they were leaving; then, kill themselves and anyone who resisted, which almost all 900 of them did; and then shot himself. He told his wife and daughter to murder his two younger children before killing themselves, which they did. With kitchen knives.
Koresh’s endgame was virtually identical. He didn’t care that his eighty-some followers– and their twenty children– could have easily lived. He knew he was going away for life for raping children and planning violent insurrection and sedition while stockpiling hundreds of weapons, to include grenades, and so told them all to blow themselves and the enemy away, before killing himself. The End. That’s what happened. It had nothing to do with his prophecies, which were stalling tactics for him having to kill himself; he couldn’t let agents in because they’d find evidence, not to mention dozens of children, and parents who’d let Koresh rape them, who’d all be cross-examined. Which is also probably why he burned it. That anyone is sympathetic to him today I find astonishing. I’m not an expert on the chain of events that took place during the siege, but I do suspect claims that ‘they could have arrested him at any time’ aren’t accurate. I suspect an ultimatum was involved where law enforcement knew simply arresting him in town was not going to work; they needed access to his compound, where all of the secrets, and underage victims, were. He knew that children admitting he’d been having sex with him was game over, which might be why he only released a small few, and possibly ones who couldn’t incriminate him in death. I think he did want to remain thought of as a prophet, and a misunderstood martyr.
Charles Manson’s ‘teachings’ managed, five years into his sentence, to scramble one of his follower’s heads up so much, she tried to kill Gerald Ford (September 5, 1975, Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme). Manson was a stochastic terrorist not because no one followed him who was outside of the official cult itself, but simply because it’s what he preached: terror (the real, political kind). He also qualifies as a doomsday terrorist, even though his best-known crime, the back-to-back murders in Hollywood Hills, was a strategy which was stochastic in certain ways, in that he wished the murders to spark an all-engulfing, coast-to-coast race war by “lighting a fuse.” The murders he commanded his cult members make happen were explicitly political, and directed at civilians; he wished to start a race war via a false flag operation (his White followers would kill wealthy, race-traitor Whites, and then frame the crime scenes to make it look like people of color did it), and overthrow the U.S. government, and the ruling Hollywood elites he believed influenced them. He was a flaming White supremacist, although, like both Koresh and Jim Jones, would usually state it in a coy, backhanded way. Unlike Koresh and Jones, however, there were no people of color, to my knowledge, in his cult, at least none of prominence, or who probably were invited to hang around for very long, even though he would have probably had to manage them from time to time, since he drew followers pseudo-randomly from the nomadic hippie culture. Needless to say, the followers he sent on the “missions” were all White, and knew they were starting a race war in which both Whites and Blacks would die en masse. The Black population, in Manson’s crazy imagination, would lose the war. Once he became King of the World afterwards, the remaining populations, who would all be his followers, were implicitly expected to be White. Did he really believe he was Jesus? Maybe. Did he really believe in the underground city they’d all hide in when the war started? I don’t think so. I think the shrewd career jailbird chose the remote location in the California desert for that purpose, or later crafted himself finding himself there, around that purpose. He was smart enough to know that his followers were smart enough to not believe that hiding out in the desert would be sufficient to protect them from a cross-nation, and possibly international, race war. Does it sound crazy that they’d believe, instead, that a giant hole in the desert would open up, and lead them to an underground city to ‘wait out the storm’ (“Helter Skelter”)? Yeah, tell me about Q sometime, and his flock of fifth-dimensional bird-like aliens.
Without a vehicle, any followers who tried to escape would face thirty miles of desert before they came to the next ranch. The owner was aging, and not expected to live long. Spahn Ranch was the secret underground city at the bottom of the ‘hole.’ I think Manson believed he might really start the race war, however. That I think he was honest about. His motive? To see the world burn, and then make himself into someone powerful in the ensuing aftermath. I think he saw himself expanding his cult following in the social unrest afterwards, not to mention his doting harem. And, I think these modern-day doomsday preachers are counting on the exact same thing. They know that increased social unrest and uncertainty will only make them stronger, not weaker.
Excerpt from above video from seditionist and stochastic Christian terrorist Robin Bullock:
“And, the Lord is going to give you words to warn people, and speak to people, in high-ranking positions. Whether you think they’re listening or not, they’re listening. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. What you need to do now, the stage is set. Everything is set. But, you’re gonna have to pray for the rightful President, whether he wants to walk back into this or not. You must pray that he wants to do it. Because God won’t make him do anything. Is it his will? Yes. Is he the President? Yes. That’s why he could just walk right back in, and God will supernaturally move things out of the way. But you need to pray for encouragement. Nobody was beat on like our President for four years, nobody. Nobody’s ever been beat like that, and still stand with such optimism, and speak with authority. Even now, the rightful President, Donald Jay Trump will hold a rally, and you can tell he’s still the President; all you have to do is listen to him. He’s the President. Hallelujah. And because he is the President, so no matter what happens, he’s supposed to walk back into that office. So, call him back. Call him back! Call him back; once he knows the prophets are calling, he’ll come. Hallelujah. We’re going to have to start publicly talking about, that he’s the President. Yeah, [chuckling] I know. People will say, really? Why would you say that, in public? BECAUSE HE IS! THAT’S WHY I SAY IT! BECAUSE HE IS! IN THE TIME OF THE TWO, THE BIDE-ON! THEN THERE IS THE ENEMY RELEASED THE DOUBLE, SO THE LORD RELEASED THE ELIJAH ANNOINTING! FOR, THE DOUBLE! DON’T MESS WITH US, SATAN! DON’T MESS WITH US, CORRUPT POLITICAL REGIMES! DON’T MESS WITH GOD’S PEOPLE LIKE THAT, BECAUSE I’M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING, IF YOU MESS WITH US, WE’LL CALL HIM BACK FOR THREE TERMS! DON’T MESS WITH US! YOU’VE NEVER SEEN THE POWER OF GOD IN ACTION BEFORE!“
Jacob Chansley is a good example. He picked up a lectern and walked out with it. He’s an insurrectionist (revolted against the timely, otherwise dignified, otherwise certain ceremonial electoral certification of a new, soon-to-be incoming head of state); a seditionist (prominently and outspokenly encouraged others to do the same); and engaged in petty theft/mischief. But, I don’t think he’s a traitor, because he didn’t wage war. I don’t consider someone walking, or even forcing, themselves into a capitol building in a democracy and being a jerk, but ultimately peacefully trying to force a delay or a second set of eyes on a confirmation ceremony, to be waging war; Trump, after all, was still going to be President for two weeks. Recall that many of the insurrectionists truly believed they would be vindicated, and hailed as heroes for saving democracy. Many of them, believably, seemed unashamed to tell us they were surprised they hadn’t been! This is evidence they were being honest. Had Chansley brandished a firearm in a threatening manner, however, that would have been war. Had he used the lectern to attack someone, that would have been war, bringing his actions to the level of treason. Officially, by my lay understanding.
The person who used a battering ram to bash through the door to the Capitol was engaged in insurrection, not treason. Though the act was physical and intimidating, it was not directed at any person. Only a door got hurt. The technical crime itself might be destruction of government property during insurrection, and unauthorized entry using force, etc. But it was not, I suspect, treason.
Anyone who knowingly kept the other officer pinned in the doorway, and did nothing to relieve him of his situation, was engaged in war, because they had turned their collective selves, augmented by the doors the officer was trapped in, into a potentially lethal weapon. Anyone not attempting to push back, call for calm, and render aid to the officer in distress, was a traitor engaged in war.
Again, don’t necessarily allow that word, ‘traitor,’ to fall too heavily. Our Founders were traitors. Traitors are not always morally-misaligned; and, fairly rare is the traitor who knows he’s a morally-misaligned traitor (such as some double agents, or someone who is committing treason for money, or other reward). In the case of the January 6 rioters, however, I have no doubt in either my mind or soul that they were morally-misaligned. I also have little doubt that few, if any, of them had any idea that they were.
This is also not to suggest that we can determine character by actions alone. We do not, for example perhaps, know if the man smashing the door with the battering ram would have also helped to crush the officer, had he found himself in that position later, etc. All that really matters is what they actually did. Also, twist-ties prove motive, even if they were never used.
The man who threw the fire extinguisher at Officer Sicknick committed treason, and is a traitor. His act, throwing the fire extinguisher with blatant disregard for limb and life if not intent to kill, was an act of war:
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.“
It doesn’t matter that he didn’t know he was wrong (morally-misaligned). In a kind of inverse example, no one in King George’s court believed the Americans fighting the Revolutionary War were patriots, either, even though they were. To George’s court, by definition, they were traitors. An important corollary to this observation is that not all traitors are morally misaligned. The Founding Fathers were traitors. They took up arms against their formal government. The End. Nathan Hale was a traitor to England. But, they were patriots, too, because their Constitution was morally-aligned, or at least far more aligned with humanist principles than King George’s was. It’s why we use the term to describe soldiers and citizens loyal to democracies, but not to dictatorships; no one calls a Nazi in World War II a patriot, even though he or she was most likely very loyal.
“Mr. Yoo was unwilling to state that any interrogation method would be unlawful if the President believed it necessary, even refusing, under questioning by Chairman Conyers, to rule out burying a suspect alive.\571\”
Source: [JPRT, 110th Congress] [From the U.S. Government Printing Office]. REINING IN THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY. Reining in the Imperial Presidency: Lessons and Recommendations Relating to the Presidency of George W. Bush, https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CPRT-110JPRT48026/html/CPRT-110JPRT48026.htm
Warning, some graphic content.
The man responsible for Officer Sicknick’s death was not a terrorist, though, regardless of whether you care to use that word. I don’t, because terror and treason are not the same. Treason is domestically-sourced political warfare (sometimes hot, but not necessarily so) directed against one’s own perceived hostile government, or the agents in the employ of that government at the time of attack. Terrorism is political warfare (more usually hot than treason is, but, again, not necessarily so, although it always threatens to be hot), domestically-sourced or foreign (foreign governments or agents cannot commit treason), directed against civilians, so as to influence those civilians’ perceived hostile government.
The unidentified person who left the pipe bombs is a terrorist. That the target is civilian is what makes the difference, which is also why I call the preachers above stochastic Christian terrorists. They’d be just as happy me being killed in the crossfire of someone killing a Democrat head of state, as they would the head of state alone. They don’t care. Also, I have little doubt that the man who threw the extinguisher at Officer Sicknick would have thrown it at anyone he might have thought was against Donald Trump, too. Again, though, he didn’t. What matters is what did happen. That makes him throwing the fire extinguisher at an officer defending the Capitol an act of war, but technically not one of terrorism, because he didn’t throw it at a civilian. He does not get to claim sides. America is not officially at war between Democrats and Republicans, or between conservatives and liberals. If he throws a weapon at a civilian while attempting to undermine a head of state, he’s a terrorist, not a very loyal Republican. If he throws the weapon at a Capitol police officer, he’s a traitor.
As to why I spend time on stochastic Christian terrorists– we have very few of the nonstochastic kind around right now, and they are mostly ‘lone-wolf’ abortion doctor shooters, or seditionist cult leaders either in jail or dead, like Warren Jeffs and David Koresh– is not just because some of them are serious millionaires; but because, unlike all terrorists, stochastic or non-, they claim to be prophets speaking for God. It only has to be political, to qualify as treason, or terror. Once you mix religion with the treason or terror, and claim to be speaking for God, that makes it a worse crime, in my opinion. I think terrorists who not just claim to be doing it for political reasons, but who also claim to have the authority of God behind them, should be tried even more harshly. Why? Because, for better or for worse, many people really, really believe God, whether it’s real or not, and when people claim to speak for (prostitute) that power for political purposes, usually because they’re not politically-educated enough to defend their political position on its own merits, or inspire violent passion thereby, they are hijacking an even higher level of real, actual power. In a way, I consider it a form of hate crime against religion itself, where the right to follow religion is enshrined in the Constitution, but where people who promote or perform violence, particularly political violence, in the name of religion make it difficult for others to be a good person in this country (or any country for that matter) and practice their religion– the one shared by the terrorist, or so he or she loudly shouts– openly. For decades, for example, I was ashamed and afraid to because of them, and so didn’t. Then they started stealing elections and killing people, and I ‘came out.’ But, in print. I still don’t want to associate with most Christians, and don’t. I already know that, if I’m ever attacked, imprisoned or killed for my political speech, it’ll be by someone who calls him- or herself a Christian. I already know that, if I find myself in some bullshit hot civil war next year or next month, it’ll be people who call themselves Christians who’ll be shooting at me, and who will have started it.
This is hardly to suggest I think all Christians are bad. I’d have a really bad superiority complex, if I did. Many, like Sojourners and Reverend William Barber and Chris Hedges and so many others, are fighting this political fight, this moral revival, well. Does anyone think the death threats being called in to our (mostly Democratic) legislators aren’t coming from the mouths of people who call themselves Christians? I’m sure Republican lawmakers are getting such calls from liberals who call themselves Christians, as well; the difference is, though both are wrong to do so, Democrats aren’t the ones still putting gunshot sounds in political ads critical of their opponents… AND their leaders. That’s… you guessed it… stochastic terrorism.
The barbed wire, Rep. Boebert, is there because Trump supporters killed a police officer, and a masked civilian woman wearing a Trump flag and with a backpack carrying unknown contents, and probably a holstered firearm, was shot dead while jumping through a broken window. I say “probably a holstered firearm,” because she doesn’t seem the kind of person who wouldn’t have had one, and Internet searches as to whether or not she had one are coming up dry. Conclusion? She had one, and the deep state (probably, in part, the investigators into the riot) doesn’t want it discussed, and so most mainstream media is cooperating with the request. It’s one of the first questions everyone should be asking: Did she have a loaded gun? Again, the answer is, most likely, yes. Of course she did.
Can we say, “fuck,” in a campaign ad? Because it’s stupid we might have laws against profanity, but not against Boebert’s ad. They may say, “You’re overreacting, that’s just her signature, and she loves guns.” Yeah, well, where were all of the guns in the Reagan campaign ads? Bush campaign ads? Et cetera? The NRA has been accusing Democrats of trying to steal their guns since 1977, and for some reason we’re not seeing Republicans declaring their love of guns in campaign ads excoriating their opponents until AFTER doing nothing after Sandy Hook, Orlando, Parkland, Las Vegas? We’re not supposed to interpret that as a rallying cry for war, thinly-veiled? This veteran, for one, is not fooled.
Rule #2 for fascists: Never apologize.
Rule #3 for fascists: Never accept your opponent’s apology, that shit Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount was bullshit.
And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us
Point 15. True and False Christians.
The liberal claims to maintain this impossible attitude of faith and opinion, of intimate certitude and objective incertitude, without any relativism or scepticism! For this purpose he distinguishes two independent spheres: the intimate domain of religious convictions where absolute certitude reigns, and the social domain of pluralism and strict equality of opinion, where everything is plausible and nothing is certain. As a Christian, the liberal knows himself to be in the truth and shows himself to be faithful to it, but as a public person, be he head of state or even bishop or pope, he conceives that others regard themselves as belonging to another truth and that, considering him to be in error, they will forbid him to profess his truth publicly lest it appear to offend against their freedom. The liberal will therefore not allow his true religion to oppress others, yet he is resigned to seeing it oppressed by them.
Source: The Catholic Counter-Reformation’s website.
Difficult to understand? Yeah, it’s called hate. Political hate weaponized with Christianity, which is also known as stochastic Christian terror. Of a very rare faux high-brow, sophisticated kind. It’s also stupid, and wrong. There’s more like it, both direct and non-, to be found in places like Church Militant, which claims to serve Catholics. Last I was there, someone they keep around for some reason said he thought gays should be shot and turned into lunch meat. I was banned within hours for nonviolent, respectful speech. I was just correct about everything. Oh but, lunchmeat guy got to stay, after he said he’d “slap my face off of my head,” if he “ever found himself nearby me.”
Terrorists, by the way, usually cover their faces, because they know that they are so far outside of the norm of what is considered acceptable political action that it’s better they’re never identified. All terrorism is an act of war because, even when it’s just a threat, or even a bluff, it’s PSYOP being employed for political ends. Most of those in the crowd that day, didn’t cover their faces. Maybe the ones who were hoping to kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi– for real— did. Maybe, even, people in the crowd wearing masks and seeming to hide their identity are the first people we should suspect of being the pre-briefed assassins, assuming there were any. Who, also, may have looked a little like antifa. I would assert any successful decapitation would have had to have looked at least plausibly like antifa. Because, depending on which way the political wind was blowing after the decapitation, the deep state would have wanted the option of claiming that Trumpists; antifa; or even both (“we’re not sure/still looking into it”), did it.
But, most of the others weren’t wearing masks not because they were foolish or unintelligent, necessarily, but because they really believed they were patriotic, regular Americans who had nothing to fear because they were going into “their house,” forcefully and unashamedly, because they thought something illegal was going on in it, and they truly believed they would be vindicated as correct. Once they hit the police barricade the President might very well have been able to part for them with a wave of his hand like Moses parting the Red Sea had he actually walked in front of them like he promised them he would, they didn’t accept the argument that law enforcement preventing them from entering at that moment was legitimate, whereupon they correctly concluded that there was no other practical way to challenge the barricade’s legitimacy than to simply defy it, and push through it.
The problem is, whereas all of that would have been an organic realization for them, it would have been a predictable one to a deep state. A deep state would have trivially known, in advance, that all of them would have “figured that out” in realtime. In other words, it was a setup. For some, it would be a deathtrap. Given the weirdness surrounding what I think was an assassination plot, my curiosity regarding the reported later suicides of at least two Capitol police officers is kindled. Not to generate conspiracy theory– I am only asking the question– should the public be confident both or all of them were, in fact, suicides? I haven’t looked into it much. I didn’t look into the suicide of Jeffrey Epstein too much, either.
Remember “Go wild?” All deep state, mind control bullshit. So was “And after this, we’re going to walk down — and I’ll be there with you — we’re going to walk down … to the Capitol.” Trump didn’t go with them because he knew he had no argument; even if he’d peacefully marched the rioters into the Senate chamber with no resistance, there’d have been nothing for him to say except, maybe, “give me back my ice cream cone.” Also bullshit was Where We Go One, We Go All, which is why I wasn’t surprised when I learned it had been originally spearheaded by a then-sitting U.S. Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. A U.S. Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency who, by the way, had a lot of shady relations to Russia.
You couldn’t make this shit up, but the facts speak for themselves. So did seventeen intelligence agencies, four years ago. That couldn’t have been a deep state conspiracy, because a) all seventeen agencies would never unanimously agree on anything, if the forensic evidence was, to them, not plain; and b) they’d know there’d be no way they could cover it up, if they’d all put their names behind it and it was proven to be bullshit. Which it never has been. If people recall (Trump’s wasn’t anyone’s first election, was it? Because I was only concerned about being recalled to active duty at the time), the falsification of evidence of Iraqi WMD to fuel the narrative already being fed them by Bush 2 was hotly contested within the intelligence community– a fact swirling in the press, threatening the very invasion itself, despite all of the costs Bush incurred by proactively moving troops into the area, putting that much more pressure on the community to not make him out to be the fool. It was a good bluff, because they probably could have said no, and devastated his presidency, which had already been won by truly questionable means, just as I’m not at all convinced Jill Stein’s election lawsuits didn’t have merit in 2016. I never trusted Trump’s claim to the 2016 election. Nor am I hardly alone in that suspicion, to include President Carter. At the very least, barring Russian assistance putting him over the edge in those states, it is conservative to say he would not have won without powerful voter suppression. Trump did not win the popular vote; he never polled above 50% in all four years of his presidency; there was no widespread voter fraud either in 2016 or 2020; and his defeat in 2020 was decisive. His claims to both greatness and martyrdom are fraudulent. He is a loser, and a shameless poser, and a killer, yes– of the elderly. He is the worst president in American history. With any luck, he will remain the worst of all time.
At any rate, the evidence presented of Iraqi WMD seemed flimsy, and it took various infamous edits, heated phone calls and manual overrides to compel Powell to testify, using the specific words he did, at the U.N. Security Council. That spectacle was not merely dissimilar; it was nothing like the seventeen intelligence agencies’ testimony in 2016, who all just came out and said that, yes, Russia interfered in our election, and had in fact been pretty good at it.
The man with the fire extinguisher turned the fire extinguisher into a weapon, and one capable of being deadly. Chansley probably had lots of opportunities to become violent towards officers. He didn’t use a weapon, though, and that matters in an insurrection.
Ironically– and, this is not to give him credit– Chansley’s outrageous costume and celebratory demeanor may have helped ease the tension, as well as keep people distracted, and focused on him, and not the terror of what it could have become. It could have become a bloodbath. I think that anyone who carried a firearm in with them should face stiffer charges. Again, twist-ties are proof of willingness to commit treason, if not proof of intent to. Carrying firearms during an insurrection is also proof of willingness to commit treason.
Really, if we want to make this easier– if we want 80% of them (or whatever) pointing fingers at the most dangerous 20%– then we would be wise, in my opinion, to start making hard distinctions between the clueless in the January 6 insurrection, and the truly treasonous.
A throng of cult members brainwashed through fear and desperation are ultimately responsible for their actions, but I think focus should be more on the people, and the President, who gathered them; aimed them; and then fired them at the Capitol.
Oxford Reference defines insurrection as:
N. a violent uprising against an authority or government: the insurrection was savagely put down.
insurrectionary adj. insurrectionist n. & adj.
Note that Oxford’s sentence usage example suggests that an insurrection is an action that is possibly becoming war, but might not be, or not be yet: It is “savagely” “put down,” (by the, presumably, far more powerful target government) where the descriptor, that it is an uprising which is violent, does not seem to distinguish between violence against people and violence against property. I think there’s a big difference, and the Founders probably did too, which is why Oxford Reference, I think, intentionally does not specify that the violence, for it to qualify as insurrection, has to be against living, government officials. It might just be against government property, as it was confined to, in many cases, in the January 6 uprising.
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States. — 18 U.S. Code § 2383 – Rebellion or insurrection
Note an important missing word in the definition of insurrection: War.
Treason, on the other hand, is defined as an act of war.
Treason … shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. Source: U.S. Constitution
I’m pretty sure I’m correct, although one thing you’ll almost never see me do is assert my correctness if I’m not reasonably sure of it. I’m not reasonably sure my understandings of the nuances between treason, sedition, insurrection, terrorism and war are correct; but, at least it’s the start of a discussion.
I would imagine I’m not telling law enforcement and prosecutors anything new, either. I am not law enforcement, nor am I a lawyer. I have full faith they’ll mostly get it right, when it comes to looking at who did what, and who’s guilty of what. That’s not why I’m writing this. I’m writing this because I would like to see an elevation in the national discussion about what really happened that day. I do not believe in monsters, or that everyone who was there was evil. Let’s try to figure out what January 6 really was, without using such broad, un-technical strokes. These are serious words. When they become a mish-mash to everyone, and a language everyone’s speaking but no one really understands, the words, which are serious, lose meaning all-around, which is awful for society. Insisting on using the terms meaningfully, and then aligning them with the backdrop of facts which really happened that day, is the only way we’ll accept any results of the January 6 investigations we’ll get, and it may even result in everyone getting results we want, but wouldn’t have gotten, otherwise.
Notes:
“‘Insurrection,’ ‘coup’ and ‘sedition.’ Here’s what each term means”
By Dakin Andone, CNN
Updated 7:21 PM ET, Tue January 12, 2021″
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/insurrection-coup-sedition-meaning-trnd/index.html
“In 1798 Congress passed, and President John Adams signed, the Alien and Sedition Acts, which, among other things, made it a crime to utter ‘false statements’ critical of the federal government.” Source: North Jersey. Note: I could take a lot of issue with many of the assertions made in this article, but it’s a good starting point for a glossary of the terms being used today, and the referenced fact about the Alien and Sedition Acts is true. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/politics/2021/01/11/dems-gop-socialism-sedition-insurrection-what-does-all-mean/6618566002/
Translated, it would seem Congress and John Adams created a form of “libel/slander” insurance against the federal government, which was that, if you’re going to oppose it, then you have to do it with honest arguments, and truthfully. An early form, in my opinion, of laws restricting fake news, as well as use of PSYOP, against Americans, I can definitely see it resurrected against civilian elected government officials. It would presumably get more difficult to charge, the more private the offender, and the smaller the offender’s platform. Trump and Giuliani ordering their armed army to attack the Capitol right across the street where his successor was being ceremonially certified, doesn’t count.
Yes, I think I see Adams’ and Congress’ 1798 reasoning, and could probably see myself supporting a law that spreading known lies against the federal government could, in some cases and environments, be interpreted as an effective form of treason, or warfare.
“A cold war is a state of conflict between nations that does not involve direct military action but is pursued primarily through economic and political actions, propaganda, acts of espionage or proxy wars waged by surrogates.” Source: Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_war_(general_term)




